The One With Nick Peall – Webinars – Video – Facebook

Transcript of EPISODE 8:

Brett: Hello fitness professionals welcome to another FiiT Professional Podcast. I am the host today again, Brett Campbell and today I have a very special guest with me a good friend of mine, and I’ll tell you a little bit more about this gentleman in a moment. Today we are going to be talking about some really cool things in regards to – basically how you can get more clients, how are going to stay, pay, and refer. The guy I’m going to introduce you to; I met this person coming up probably two to three years ago, and I was actually introduced to this guy or found out about this guy whilst I was over in America. So I was over in America master-minding learning about all things internet marketing. It was quite funny actually one of the gentlemen over there Josh Carter his name is, he mentioned to me – because I’m from the Gold Coast he goes, “Geez I know someone from the Gold Coast” and he goes, “Have you heard of Nick Peel?” and I’m like, “No I’ve never heard of him before” and the funny thing was it took an American to introduce us together and we live only about an hour apart from one another.

I basically got home from America and took action and ended up meeting this guy and from that day forward we have formed a great relationship. Every time we chat we have to tell each other that we have to get off of the phone versus trying to find excuses to leave, so I guess you know we have some great conversation around all things business and marketing. We both have a serious passion in this area and I guess what I’ll do is I’ll disconnect, and throw the food in the deep end and say, “Nick tell us a little about yourself mate and give us a bit of a background about your marketing and business skills I guess?”

Nick:  Cool man! Thanks for the intro. I’ve been working on the web for sixteen year now, so there is a bunch of different things I could talk about, but I started off kind of in production with design and programming, and then made my way up to project management, and then working on really big web stuff, so portals, intranet, and things like that. Then got into online marketing full time about four and half years ago, and yeah it’s been a roller-coaster ride since then, and it’s great not working for the man anymore. You still have clients and such, but it’s much different than the days when you were working a career or job and that’s one of the many reasons I love online marketing and I guess online business in general…the freedom it gives you.

Brett:  Couldn’t agree more that’s what it’s all about isn’t it you’re probably sitting home right now in your undies.
[Laughter]

Nick:  The dog is next to me just hanging out pretty much.

Brett:  Making scones for morning tea yeah, so Nick your background, and I mean I know this and I think it would be important for the listener to give you a better understanding of your background.  Now, I know personally you’ve worked for some of the highest level in say marketing in the world and you’ve had some pretty profound results, so would you just like to give us a bit of an overview on a couple of those instances where you’ve worked with these people and what results you actually produced?

Nick:  Yeah, all right again, there is a lot of business I could talk about that, but let me give you some specifics just from the most recent history in the last kind of two to three years. I released a social media of marketing program specifically it was about Facebook guards, and lead generation and that came out in the start of 2011. I was using Webinars as my main promotional kind of tool in my conversion method, and that launched in January and within about six and half months I’d managed to bring in just over fifteen hundred clients for the paid membership site that I put together and that was a thousand dollars a pop, so that was great.

During that time I got to work with almost everyone up at the top of the online marketing industry, and there was so many people from like, Rick Schefren, and Evan Pagan, Ryan Dice, Mike Hill, Rob Grants, Rayne Rossi, Ross Bronson like, all sorts of…John Reeves you know there is just so many people in there that were promoting my program and endorsing me, and I got to do a lot of stuff over in the states. Yeah, that was a great time, but since then in the past two years I’ve just been focusing on the kind of philosophy that less is more. Back then I was dealing with literally thousands of people and customers, but these days I rather keep a kind of small inner circle of the more advanced type mentoring programs.

Brett:  So, another couple of things have popped up to me there was you mentioned Webinars – just, so people are not one hundred percent on sure in Webinars and what they are can you just give us a quick description of what a Webinar is?

Nick:  Yeah, buddy it’s a good point because some people have no idea what that word means. Webinar is basically a…

Brett:  Like a language class in that it’s almost like hospital I guess sometimes you have got to spell it out, because they look if we are in it they may not be in it, so give us your description of a webinar mate?

Nick:  Cool, so webinar is basically a Web Seminar and the seminar in its most basic format is a speaker presenting to a collection of people. So, with a web seminar not only do you have the audio aspect where the audience is listening, but they can also see for example your slide show that you’re showing them or even parts of video feeds. It’s quite similar to watching a live, it might be happening, but via your computer that is basically what happens. You have a few bonus features as well where you can kind of interact…if you’re in the audience you can send through questions to the presenter in real time and they can respond to it, and of course they align perfectly with my type of business and lifestyle where a lot of the time it’s working from the Mac Book wherever I am, so I need to be kind of mobile on the go and it doesn’t really take much. All you need is that kind of internet connection and a head-set to run Webinars from just a laptop.

Brett:  Yeah, it’s an amazing tool to be able to use to reach out to thousands of people you know how much work it takes to actually set up a private seminar where people come to a facility.

Nick:  Oh yeah!

Brett:  Where visitors really cut that down, and it allows you to get straight to the point, doesn’t it? Another thing you had mentioned earlier is back in 2011 you were heavily involved in Facebook and the whole thing of generating leads from Facebook and that is something that I have been heavily involved in the last couple of years myself as well.

Nick:  Yeah.

Brett:  If we were to look at… first of all let’s look at Facebook as a tool for personal trainers. Now, I’ve done an episode I think it was my second episode where I talked about different Facebook strategies and so forth. We both know there is no limit of strategy; it’s just the limit of actually taking. Let’s hear some of your Facebook tips that you find would work really well, or what do you think a personal trainer should be thinking about prior to even starting to invest in ads, because I know many people who have come to me and said, “I’m running ads already” but there is a whole lot of things that I can see that they are missing. I guess you would say its flushing money down the toilet? Give us your overview on Facebook and where to start from?

Nick:  Yeah, good way to frame it, so the people basically in the fitness and weight loss industry when you are thinking about Facebook you really want to get into the mind and start thinking about your target audience based upon how they are now and not how they want to be. Don’t focus on just finding people that are already into fitness for example, because a lot of your target audience hasn’t started with cardio or weight or whatever; even an eating plan. Really start to think about your target audience and the avatars, but basically getting down to an everyday level where its mass market stuff not just people that are already in the gym. So that is definitely a good starting point.

Over from that it’s all about content and specifically rich media, so photographs at the very least, good photographs, but over from that interactive stuff, so videos that your broadcasting, also video conversations so that people can submit stuff and then you can respond as well. Giving them something to watch and engage with is definitely very important rather than just putting in fitness quotes or some inspirational paragraph for the day to try and help people.

Brett:  Yeah, of course! so let’s just talk about that a little bit because I’m a massive advocate on education based marketing where you know I feel it’s our duty – we call ourselves marketers because we all our whether you are…call yourself a personal trainer or not you are really a marketer. It’s our duty to educate our prospects on the benefits of taking up business with us. You touch upon that the importance of video and I couldn’t agree more with that. A quick example, actually it’s quite funny that you say that, because about half an hour before this call, we got a link sent through from this lady, and she had created a six minute YouTube video and it was addressed to me.

Long story short basically she was trying to sell me something, but the way that she went about it definitely gave her more attraction than she would if she was just to write me a letter because we dozens of people emailing in a day saying, “Hey Brett we really recommend you should sell this or you should promote this or this is great” but the value of the video there it actually made me take a second glimpse, and even till this moment I’m processing the fact that you know what she has gone to do that, and I guess for someone like me I see that effort that actually goes into it, it’s a six minute video, but then she had to upload it, she had to sit down and work her script out. That could have been a couple of hours work put into that just to reach out to me. From your experience Nick in regards to videos what are the things you’ve seen or done yourself that have had a great impact on video?

Nick:  Definitely keeping it kind of moving so to speak whether you are doing a video that was graphics and text that you’re speaking over or talking head video keep things moving, so it’s not just the same picture for a long duration. If you’re going to do a talking head video and you’re holding the camera in front of you– do it while walking around for example, so the background is actually moving and you’re moving. It’s definitely a big part of what makes people engaged and pay attention to videos or else what happens is they kind of go into multi-task mode, so if they realize nothing is kind of visually changing or that’s stimulating they will just revert to listening mode and often they will jump up and open another browser or just passively listen, but they aren’t paying attention and that is what we don’t want.

It’s like anything you’re watching on a computer, YouTube or at the movies you want it to be kind of visually engaging not just something to listen to, so it has to be something to look at as well. If you can’t do that just find people there are plenty of folks on the web that do that type of work real cheap, so don’t hold back it on it you know and don’t let it be an obstacle or stumbling block just get it done, shoot it or script it out and record it and then hand it over, outsource it to someone that can cut it, title it, and put all the flash stuff it needs and put it up on the web.

Brett:  That’s a really valuable point that you mentioned there and that is the difference of actually been recognized to know this person is not – because if you look at YouTube how many videos actually going up a day, and it could be just someone sitting in front of their computer and like you said it’s quite funny you say that because I’ve actually been watching certain videos and I’ll just switch to another browser, because there is nothing else happening, but the voice which I guess if we go back to a marketing standpoint there is a few underlying psychological reasons why you’d want to do that. I think a lot of it is like you said it’s keeping engagement of the person obviously watching or listening, but it’s more because – I listened yesterday to John Benson talk about his video sales limit you’ve obviously heard of John Benson he’s the guy who created video sales, and he was talking about psychological triggers, and how you can keep engagement with users. One of the things he talks about is like, had an interruption and interruption face marketing in all the formats.

What I’m going to do right now is I’m going to do that right now and just to give everyone a lesson what I’m going to ask you Nick this is a totally off ball question, but someone is just sitting and they are on the treadmill right now they are probably listening with far more impact right now to what I’m about to say, because it could be something interesting about to happen. We are going to play a signal with you right now it’s called “Shoot, Shag, or Marry” I’m going to say some female’s names and you need to tell me if you’re going to shoot, shag, or marry them okay?

Nick:  This should demonstrate a pattern interrupt or is just something you always do?

Brett:  This is a definite pattern interrupt and the demonstration is this because you know people are going to want to know now okay what this guy is like. They are going to judge you and they will judge you based of this.

Nick:  All right so what are you up to shoot, shag, marry.

Brett: Yep, and I’m going to say three people’s names and you need to tell me whether you are going to shoot, shag, or marry them, and you have to say it straight away you can’t sit there and think about how people are going to receive you.

Nick:  Yeah, okay.

Brett:  Beyonce.

Nick:  Shag her.

Brett:  Susan Boyle. Oh no you took too long.

Nick:  It sounds so mean to shoot her, but if that is the only option then I won’t be picking the others let’s put it that way. She’s good to listen to.

Brett:  That does all right take your time, and the last one Oprah.

Nick:  Kind of the same I guess I definitely wouldn’t shag or marry Oprah, but I wouldn’t shoot her, so I’ll listen to her as well.

Brett:  You sort of stayed on the fence there a little bit didn’t yah you took the good road. I guess the whole point of doing that right there stems from that whole thing about pattern interruption and going back to videos right. You have the importance of that, so let’s give the listeners a couple of examples that they could actually utilize when it comes to videos. I’m going to put you on the spot her and get some quick thinking from you it’s of a personal trainer and I want to do a video of some sort. What is an example that I could go and film this afternoon?

Nick:  All right, well, if you’re starting from scratch the first bit of advice would be to just talk about yourself, and just do a one eight. Start to think about what your clients or your targeted audience are dealing with, or just raising questions that you got asked previously or maybe in common and make videos about the response, solutions, and start to put that content out there. Your content always has to be about them because that is always what they are thinking, “What’s in it for me?” So, to a degree they really care about you. Initially yeah, you know getting authority and social proof those are important I get that, but really video content should always be about them. The first three to five seconds should immediately tell them one big promise that they are going to get, “Bang” straight up get their attention, and then from there give them a bit of an overview about what you’re talking about over the next three, five or ten minutes, and keep it segmented. It’s always storytelling you’re not there to present a documentary, don’t get too rigid keep things flowing, but always speak directly to your audience as if it was one-on-one not as though you’re on TV presenting to millions of people.

Brett:  Yeah fantastic, and the big point I got out of that and couldn’t agree more with is the opening three to five seconds it’s just like a web browser that you know people are going to make a decision based on the first three to five seconds of watching your video. Now, if you look at YouTube as it currently stands they have now, and obviously they have had it for a while they structured their ads now. Ads are on the start of the video if of course the person that put the video up has taken on ads, so it’s not on every video just make that clear. The first five seconds they will show you the first five seconds of that thirty second advertisement. You notice when you go to click on it, it will say skip ad in five seconds, four, three, two, and one.

Actually one of the first times ever I watched the video and then a five second ad came up and it kept that person the first five seconds that I watched the whole video second advertisement, and now I’m contemplating on buying this piece of equipment. It was a video camera that worked on a sliding rod of sorts, and it moved to music. For me like that first five seconds… they had five seconds to captivate me and it did that, so you can see the importance of how the first five seconds, because there was no way shape or form I was going to watch the video that design future clips. I was thinking about buying a video camera that moves to music. Let’s run through a couple of examples and if you were to go and do your video on what are a few opening statements could be, and then I’ll kick you off with one because I mean in this fitness industry I get it’s more by the name, but you will be able to give us an examples in other industries as well to get people triggered.

I think if we looked at one for a video like, if you’re sitting here and listening to this now and you have got about twenty minutes this afternoon to get on your iPhone and even if you’re doing a, you know it’s got reverse camera now you can just reverse film yourself. The first opening five seconds would be something like, “Hi…in the next two minutes I’m going to tell you the fastest, and safest way possible to lose those last ten kilos” so that right there is I guess an opening statement that if someone is watching that, and they are wanting to lose ten kilos, then they are definitely stay attracted right. We are not here to hear me talk so much I want to hear you talk about it, so give us a couple of examples mate that you think would be beneficial that you have seen in the industry that really have an impact. It does not have to be fitness related.

Nick:  Well again, I follow one particular specific formula which is just like a big promise which is relevant to your audience. So no matter what kind of niche or industry you are in figure out what it is they are looking for and that becomes your promise, so rather than, for example saying, “Weight Loss Program” which does imply something it really is about those last ten pounds or the last little love handle around your belly or whatever it is move that particular thing. That is what you want to explain in your video, so just remember to be completely specific about again, what’s in it for them.

Brett:  Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. Let’s change tactic a little bit there and there is some really good things there if you are looking to get videos done it’s like just getting started, and put them up online, and they don’t need to be one hundred percent completed you know seventy percent is good enough. I guess I look at the traction of when I first started doing videos to the quality we have got now, so we have got a green screen and everything is set up now, but we never started all that and that’s just aggression. Let’s go back to webinars because I guess this is sort of an area that I personally haven’t had much experience in and I’ve always thought about doing it, and I am going to get into it, but it’s probably one of those things that I’ll probably just throw in a hard basket at the moment because there are so many other things going on. What advice would you give to a beginner who is looking to run webinars? What would your strategies be behind that?

Nick:  All right, it would depend on one thing so you have two different outcomes whether you have an existing list or data base of customer and contacts or not, so if you do have any type of list or data base then you’re in the best possible situation to be doing webinars. I’ll explain why in a bit and compare it to those that don’t have a list. Really webinars come down to three main things the first one contacting a targeted audience to invite them to register for the webinar, and you do that by usually just a three day email sequence that is loaded up, and it sends out. So, if you’re presenting a webinar on a Thursday for example you start mailing Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and there is a specific kind of formula to that what is included in each of those emails, so you get maximum registration, but also the highest possible amount of people attending the call? Then once they are on the call it’s a process of sharing social proof, educating people, answering questions, and then from then from there the next step is conversion, and specifically monetization. One of the many great things about webinars is that more often than not you’re making money instantly on the spots, so cash you know in your PayPal or your merchant account or whatever it is straight away after the webinar it’s not something you have to wait for days or weeks to actually see results. Those are the main steps involved with it so again, go through the list. You can set that up and basically have it monetized you know money that your leaving on the table right now you can have that in your account within seven days from now.

Now, for the people that don’t have a list it’s a different process because you actually have to go out and either buy traffic or find someone that does have a list and then you can JD with them, so that they will promote your product, service or program to their list for revenue share, but that is the basic overview of how to get started with them.

Brett:  Cool, and I guess just for the people how are thinking, “Well where do I go” its, I know “Go to Webinars” one of the good sources is there any other ones or is that the one you would recommend?

Nick:   Yeah, that’s the best place to get started and there are different price options. There are definitely other ways to webinars, but Go to Webinar is pretty standard and I could say it does the job.

Brett:  Yeah, sure fantastic, so I guess someone like yourself who’s had lot of experience in webinars and I’ll be definitely talking more to you about that you know for someone like ourselves you know within this institution we’ve got a large list that we have been able to accumulate over time. I guess the question for you with your experience in doing webinars, and people that you know in the business do you know of anyone currently in the business industry who use your webinars with massive success?  What are they trying to promote or what are they actually doing with it?

Nick:  All right, I’ll give you a big picture response to that. Fitness marketing from what I know and that I’m in contact with typically are either directly involved with the internet marketing industry or they are kind of trailing behind it. It works like this, a lot of the stuff that we figure out and we do in the internet marketing community industry specifically is then shared or finds its way to the fitness marketing industry either pretty much instantly or maybe within a year or two behind what we are doing. Given pretty much that pretty much all the top guys in the marketing industry have been relying on webinars for their main cash flow and conversion models for many years…even though they promote and teach other methods and systems, and processes it’s almost always you know like, eight out of ten times they are using webinars as the main source of income and the main way to convert all the different communities, or assets or lists they have.

Based upon that they’d be…I don’t think I would be as high in the fitness marketing industry, and it is slightly different because it’s mostly digital products whereas; in fitness marketing digital products only represent a percentage of total money in your industry. A lot of it of course is personalized services whether it’s training in the gym or group workshops or things like that, so there is a slight difference. I guess that boils down to whomever is leading your industry or whoever is ahead of the curve in the fitness marketing industry will definitely already be using webinars at the very least for selling their digital products either eBooks download or membership sites subscription type things. Other guys if they’re really on the ball will definitely be using that method to sell their service rather than having to deal with each prospect you know one at a time you can speak to a hundred or virtually a thousand people at once, and then convert them all into paying customers at the same time it’s massive leverage man, it’s beautiful.

Brett:  Yeah, it is it’s an amazing tool. I see the results that we are getting even just with videos, and I guess the difference is between a live webinar and a recorded webinar, so they are two completely different things. I’m sure obviously the results are going to be far different even if you’re someone who doesn’t want to do a live webinar for whatever reason there are options there that you can you can just use campaigns or stream flow and you can actually record your own Power Point presentation on your computer. Then you even deliver that as if it was a webinar, right?

Nick:  Yeah, you could, look there is massive difference between live webinar and replay webinar, and it’s the difference between – your actually sitting in the audience at a live event with a public speaker on stage, and the difference between that and you seeing a recording of it on a video you know at home on a little TV, so massive difference with the conversions specifically. As part of the formula that I have always used there is a three day replay campaign that happens within the overall webinar project and that’s again, because of modernization and conversion you almost always double what you made on the live webinar with that three day replay campaign that goes out with a sequence of emails, but it’s still within that same fresh time frame with it happening.

Using auto play webinar say ongoing or this concept of Evergreen I’ve seen almost no one who gets that to work. It’s purely because people will watch a video you know like, a sales video, but they don’t want to sit there for three and a half hours to watch a webinar replay, because they know it’s going to run that long and they know it’s not live and there are other things they could do. They could skip through the time line and all that other stuff, so I have never bothered with auto play webinars again, I do webinar replays directly after the live one, but if you’re going to do that type of media that Evergreen type of thing just make it a sales video and put it up on the video sales page. Just like you said man recording Power Point and then speaking into the microphone keeping a lot shorter in terms of the duration, and just do it that way.

Brett:   That could be a good place to start for people who are sitting there going, “Well I’m not really sure about this whole webinar thing” I mean that is where I initially started. Now, I’ve ran webinars before, but I’ve never actually sold products at the back webinar, so I’m actually pretty excited to get that started, and get that happening, so really excited about that stuff. Nick in regards to…we could sit here and talk for hours about group business ventures, and lessons you’ve learned in the industry and so forth, but I’m always interested in what is one of your biggest lessons you’ve taken in the last four years of been involved in the internet world, so to speak? It drives me again, to open an account if you’d like.

Nick:  Yeah, I know it’s specifically who to trust, but also trusting in myself a lot more, and yeah,  so that is that, but something that others can use – I’d say one of the biggest lesson over the last four years is I guess getting out of learning mode and into action mode, and that will make perfect sense to personal trainers, because you guys are natural action players you get up in the morning and go running, and you tear your muscles; you do all that stuff automatically. Just avoid getting stuck in learning mode and confusing that for taking action, because it’s easy to do in marketing. You are there on the computer, right, but there is a difference than been on the computer and just kind of reading, watching, and learning, and you know sitting down and doing tasks and following instructions, and the nitty gritty work that does into setting up the campaign to turn into your online marketing.

Brett:  Yeah, that’s a very valuable lesson I couldn’t agree more with that one, because it was quite funny again, that you’d say that mate I’m sure you actually ended up in my head a million times because I feel into a bit of a trap..

Nick:   That’s what she said…

Brett:  Yeah, yeah, yeah that’s right just recently in regards to been in education mode and full learning mode, and let’s use this podcast as an example.  What that means is your just listening to this podcast  and you’re not going to go and take any action you’re not going to go film that video which we have just discussed you not going to go and look at the concept of a webinar how that could be successful for your business. That is the difference between action taking and been stuck in the learning mode, so I’m glad you brought that one up. In your time in the last few years you know there is probably a few of these, but what is your biggest ah, ha moment when you knew that by understanding marketing that this could be the path for you to go down? I know you wake up every morning and you have an ah ha moment, but what is one of your biggest a, ha light bulb moments that you have had that you realized you know what this internet stuff or this marketing stuff is achieve mode?

Nick:  Yeah, it will definitely be the transition period of me going from been a consultant at the end of my IT career, and then going full time internet marketing. It was really the true a, ha moment the brick to the head was when I started seeing myself as a creator. Even though I was creative specifically in a creative field, but when I myself as the creator rather than the worker bee everything changed in my head and my thought patterns and beliefs, and the things that I talk about and the things that I do they all changed. Up until that point I didn’t always see myself as a worker bee, because I was in a job and it conditions your mind to think there are certain boundaries, and there a some things that you can or can’t do or there is some things that only other people should do.

When you see yourself as a creator its like, “Screw all that stuff there are no limitations” I can achieve or create or build or do whatever I want, and the responsibility is with me. If it fails I wear the cost, but if it succeeds then I get the rewards and that is what is on the line, and you really kind of operate in a different space then, because there is not safety net. You can’t just go, “If it doesn’t work out it doesn’t matter because I still have a job and I’ll still get my pay every week” you know you have to be really accountable when you realize that. The entire glass ceiling just vanishes, it just blows away.

Brett:  Yeah, cool man thanks for sharing that. It’s quite amazing when you have these types of moments you know that you actually realize it just takes you to a new strategy doesn’t it and open that sky up more.

Nick:  Remember that time, I think we were talking when I was driving in the car before you came up here for Crusty Demeans on Nitro whatever it was, and you were giving me an update on everything that was happening in your business, and then you’re like, “Man if you’d of told me” I was, a few years ago back when you were doing like laboring or whatever it was, if you’d have told me I was going to do this I would of laughed at you and walked away and said, “no you’re crazy mate.” See what I mean there is such a huge difference in shifts between how you used to see yourself as a laborer worker, so now you are the creator and all this stuff around you is happening and manifesting, because of what you’re thinking.

Brett:  Yeah, look I was just about to say that and I was even going to mention the fact that you’re shift that you have had in the last twelve months even going from you know I guess almost a total change of direction, and I guess we can lead into that right now you know. What was in store for you moving forward that was different twelve months ago, and what’s it taken for you to be able to make that shift.

Nick:   Probably just even more simplifying so. I had already shifted into the less is more type business model you know kind of less clients and charging each of them more money specifically, but over the last twelve months I’ve definitely, I still enjoy and appreciate that, so I’m not going to change that format. But, my consistent income you know like, the passive side of things that is practically non-existent in my world, and it’s not hard for me to put that together so I’ve just got to basically put in the effort and stay dedicated with that, and if it really comes down to getting more information products out, and then getting the campaigns, and the funnels behind them, so that I also have consistent passive income, because when you think about it technically that was the original thing that lured us all into this online marketing thing was the passive income, but realistically not a huge amount of people actually have consistent passive income from online marketing. You know it’s just like big chunks here and there and that is okay if your into the product-works thing or doing events, but I’d like to – I want to be balanced I guess that’s the answer to your question. I’m learning to be balanced by having the big chunks and the campaigns, and the launches if fine, but also throughout the year have the consistent cash flow coming in, and that is something I have to kind of grow up and mature in myself and get both of them operating at the same time.

Brett:  Yeah, mate again, couldn’t agree more and I talked about that I think it was in a previous episode talking about tracking, and products we launched different products and services that you know people can purchase at an ongoing rate, because your right the passive income is really why people get into that marketing it’s that whole thing of making money while your asleep or away on holiday. If you can obviously the amount of people you can help with that it’s just a reward to be able to get paid to be able to do those types of things. It’s funny you mentioned earlier about me, when we were having that conversation where I was a cabinet maker I was working fifty hours a week, and I was stuck in a job that was going nowhere and it was that big monetary shift of been able to, and you mentioned of becoming the creator you know and I look now and I have no limits on what I can or cannot create which is an amazing then to feel. Now, not everything I trace is going to be a success, but that also still does not bother me it’s that very thing I create and if it doesn’t work as well as I thought it just leads me closer to the next one.

Nick:  Exactly.

Brett:  Which is going to be a success?

Nick:  Yeah, man.

Brett:  How many times you can keep getting up. In regards to you know big lessons and big chips and so forth what would be you know if you put your personal training hat on for a moment what would one of your biggest tips be for personal trainers out there? How they can stand out from every other personal trainer in Australia been forty-thousand personal trainers here it can be quite difficult to stand out? We quite often hear it’s hard been a personal trainer type of thing that people say, but I mean I totally disagree with that, so from your perspective what would advice would you give a personal trainers out there to stand out?

Nick:  I always helps when you have a girl friend that is a fitness model and she has got some type of bikini body plan program I’ll just add that. For everyone else standing out is – this is an interesting question Brett I never thought about it that way. I know a lot of PT and you know I’m kind of involved with your industry on the fringes, so I guess to stand out…right now I guess it would be to really focus on mobile and devices, because that is really where the world is now. Whether that is making videos, Facebook with ad campaigns for the specifically targeted iPhones and just making stuff that can go into people’s hand that is the point it’s not just about mobile.

Most people are interacting with the web now by this little device in their hand rather than sitting on a computer, so if you understand that you know especially with the crowd that is on the go just make sure your putting your content and media or whatever your message is put it into their hand and don’t just think about you know it’s a website or webpage or those kind of typical sitting on a computer browsing online type things. Again, get on the mobile anyway you can get into their head, and the best way to do that is literally Facebook because there are hundreds of millions of people interacting with Facebook specifically with their device not sitting on a computer it’s huge man.

Brett:  Let me throw you in the deep end because I totally agree with that because if we were to look at statistics I know for a fact the fifty-four percent of our users view our information on mobiles. Now, that statistic you know we are not talking a couple hundred visitors a month we are talking thousands and thousands of people that that statistic is drawn upon. For us for example we were to look at mobiles and make sure everything we have done is mobile friendly or we don’t have a mobile App what we are really doing is we are leaving things on the table you know. We have just created our FiiT-Chick App which is a recipe sharing App you know that was – I think the first beta came out, it could have been five months ago now and that version was not the best version around, but we still got it out there and to date we have done a massive update or total makeup basically you know we spent thousands on it. Today we have had close to fifty-thousand people get this App which is a paid App it’s not free either, but it just goes to show you that if you don’t know the numbers of people out there looking for certain things you’re missing out on a whole multitude of you know income you know you’re just leaving it out there to dry.

Where I’m heading with that mate is if your given a thousand bucks and let’s stay on the mobile thing here, if your given a thousand dollars and I gave you a certificate as a personal trainer what you do to get started in the industry? Give us some specifics? If I gave you a thousand dollar and you had to go – let’s stick with the mobile thing for now what would you do?

Nick:  What is the outcome? What are we looking for?

Brett:  You want to run a business right, if you want to earn money, so however you do that whether that’s all based online or you want to use it to draw people to your personal training business what would you do?

Nick:  All right I’ll give you a specific that is relevant to your audience and those that are listening. You’re a PT and I in that situation would definitely put my thousand dollars pretty much all to traffic, and I would go to the effort of putting together a short landing page that gets straight to the point about the outcomes and the benefits. It wouldn’t really be selling anything it would be a capture page, so you would be asking their name, and email or name and phone number, and you’re incentivizing all of that traffic. Basically fill their details in so that you can open a conversation with them, and I would advertise that page using nice rich photos and definitely videos using Facebook ads going directly to mobile. I would be targeting folks that our in my specific catchment, so whether it’s my post code or my city, so that everyone I’m talking to you know I can sign up as clients and meet them at the park or the gym that is within ten or twenty minutes of both of us, and just really focus on local as that is another powerful thing with Facebook advertising is not just the ability to find people on their hand-held devices, but also based upon their location. You don’t want to be wasting your budget getting traffic from the other side of your state or you know completely different country. If you’re in the personal training business you have to be there with them using the combination of those two, and sending all the traffic to that page, capturing as many leads as I could and then following them up straight away. That is where I would start and that is guaranteed clients literally within days signed up and you’ve spoken to them, and you’ve meet them, and you know that whole process when your greeting new clients and your bring them into your program and your training them that stuff comes naturally, but you just need to get them on the call or down the path or at the gym for a quick coffee you know whatever it is let’s start this, and that’s the great things about you guys it’s always like starting a friendship with a PT it’s not just about a client it’s like, “Hey we are in this together” and what are some things in your world and how can I help it’s a good flow and that’s what I’d be using the web for it’s just getting people to that point where they can have a conversation.

Brett:  I think an important point to hammer home, and I talk about this with my kids, so that whole return of investment – now if you were to use that thousand dollars to drive traffic now you need to look at how many clients do I need to get out of that for it to be worthwhile then. If we just use some basic math someone training twice with you at fifty or hundred dollars a week it’s going to take you ten weeks. If you have someone on a twelve week transformation program your first client will pay for your whole thousand dollar traffic you know, so I think that’s very, very valuable there because you know it can become hard sometimes when the return of investment isn’t thought about, and I mean yourself you know in the marketing realm and spending thousands, and thousands of dollar in Facebook you know it all comes down to return on investment, and I can’t hammer that quite home enough.

Nick:  Yep.

Brett:  So, Nick it’s actually coming to the end of the time there, and I know you have to jump off, and I have to go to another meeting very shortly, but is there any other words of wisdom that you’d like to share, because what I’m definitely going to do – you don’t know this yet, but we are going to get you back on another episode and we are going to talk purely based around webinars, and we are going to do that after I actually have gone ahead and ran a webinar, and sold some stuff myself? Maybe we could use it as an impromptu example we can talk about, so any words of wisdom to finish off the call that you would think would be useful to anyone listening?

Nick: Some words of wisdom for your audience and for you which is if you’re sitting on a list and you’ve already got those contacts and those leads in that data base you are literally sitting on anywhere from twenty to fifty thousand dollar that you wouldn’t really know is sitting there, but by using a webinar you will pull that out within seven days, so I guess that is the challenge for you Brett. I want everyone else there don’t just sweep it under the rug or say, “It’s one of those things I’m going to get around to eventually” this is like, the secret of the online industry this is how most of the big guys make most of their money, because it’s one method it’s not just another thing or one thing it’s really important. If you already have that list or data base your sitting on a tone of money that you don’t currently see right now, and you won’t ever produce because you’re not using the formula that goes into a webinar, so I share that mate.

Brett:  Perfect mate thank you very much and you know if I had money in every business it’s sitting right underneath us, so thanks mate thanks a lot for jumping on board I know how valuable your time is.

Nick:  Cool man.

Brett:  Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and so forth we are definitely going to have you back on here, and I know you have some really valuable lessons out of that, so until next time peace up, and be good to your friends, right.

Nick:  Cool man. Thanks for the time.

Brett:  Thanks take care.